teeth pulled twice in one day, i think. >> no, it's not that bad. >> not that bad. rick perry -- >> republicans making a choice for president make me feel that way at time, but not that bad on the show. >> is rick perry an answer? >> i don't know if he's the answer people thought he would have been, because, frankly, michele bachmann has really been gaining a lot of momentum to a lot of people's surprise. they figure he could come in, perry could come in on the conservative right and now the question is, can he do that, but more importantly, can he raise money? bachmann has the ability to raise a lot of money. when this first came out, no one thought that bachmann would be a serious contender and he would just have to tame romney on. >> do you think, karen, the buzz rumsfeld is now involved, bringing some of the folks back from the bush d.o.d. to brief perry so he's ready to talk on the stomp about some of this, good, bad, indifferent? >> probably not a bad thing. it certainly fuels the fire.